# Panda update - new beta available now! **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcement\ **Created:** [January 11, 2024, 5:11pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054 "2024-01-11T17:11:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Vindaloo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3e96dc/32.png) [@Vindaloo](https://community.bear.app/u/Vindaloo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 12:50pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/62 "2025-01-16T12:50:33Z")
I just want to explain why bear itself (i am a paying subscriber many years) DOESN’T solve all my issues and hence my enthusiasm for panda. I simply need a more traditional way of separating namespaces. That’s it. I don’t need to read another word about zettlekasten or nested tags. I simply want an ability to have completely separate spaces for different kinds of notes. If bear supported workspaces, i wouldn’t really need panda on ios. That being said, having just painstakingly transferred a logbook from an older app that is no longer available on ios into markdown, i see renewed enthusiasm for file-based storage of documents (although overall i think users don’t realise how much better performance is in a database-backed solution like bear). ---
**Author:** ![aizazshahid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@aizazshahid](https://community.bear.app/u/aizazshahid)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 3:39am UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/63 "2025-01-19T03:39:22Z")
I am just starting with Bear Notes, now I am intrigued which one I should go for, why do you need Panda along with Bear? ---
**Author:** ![Synapse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Synapse](https://community.bear.app/u/Synapse)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 9:07am UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/64 "2025-01-19T09:07:24Z")
Panda is just a stand alone text editor, albeit a very pretty one. Bear is the full blown notes taking app but doesn’t let you edit files on your computer, everything is held in a database. Hth ---
**Author:** ![krssno](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/community.bear.app/krssno/32/1338_2.png) [@krssno](https://community.bear.app/u/krssno)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 3:06pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/65 "2025-01-19T15:06:24Z")
As long as panda as full blown app with an own library doesn’t exist you don’t need to think about which you should go for. The main difference of panda will be that the notes are file based rather than database based like in bear ---
**Author:** ![aizazshahid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@aizazshahid](https://community.bear.app/u/aizazshahid)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 4:15pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/66 "2025-01-19T16:15:31Z")
Makes sense, thanks for the answers. I don’t think I would use anything else than neovim for editing files. I wish bear also had vim support ---
**Author:** ![MartinB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@MartinB](https://community.bear.app/u/MartinB)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2025, 12:25pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/67 "2025-02-08T12:25:00Z")
_this is me screaming that I need Panda on iOS._ ---
**Author:** ![uberhosen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/4bbf92/32.png) [@uberhosen](https://community.bear.app/u/uberhosen)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2025, 1:00pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/68 "2025-02-08T13:00:54Z")
+1 for Panda on iOS! ---
**Author:** ![Chamiu](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/community.bear.app/chamiu/32/1377_2.png) [@Chamiu](https://community.bear.app/u/Chamiu)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 9:11am UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/69 "2025-02-13T09:11:31Z")
> [@Chamiu](#): > > One more thing, I came up with a idea that it might be convenient if links to individual notes in Bear.app could be saved as files in a Finder folder. Wouldn’t it be good if Bear.app could convert the x-callback link into a webloc file? ---
**Author:** ![lisafirke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d78d45/32.png) [@lisafirke](https://community.bear.app/u/lisafirke)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/70 "2025-02-13T16:30:10Z")
Screaming as loud as I can for an IOS Panda. I write exclusively on my iPad Pro. ---
**Author:** ![fatherfork](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/community.bear.app/fatherfork/32/5932_2.png) [@fatherfork](https://community.bear.app/u/fatherfork)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 1:18pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/71 "2025-04-02T13:18:29Z")
I would also use and love an iOS version of Panda. Thank you for your efforts. ---
**Author:** ![rfrmdguy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/community.bear.app/rfrmdguy/32/3873_2.png) [@rfrmdguy](https://community.bear.app/u/rfrmdguy)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 9:12pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/72 "2025-05-05T21:12:02Z")
Man, I’m just gonna let it rip—SCREAM! Okay, that felt good. Look, I’m fed up with the sorry state of Markdown editors on iOS and iPadOS. I’m out here literally remoting into my Mac just to use Panda’s sweet, Bear-like editing experience because the iPad options are straight-up _lacking_. I mean, I’ll grind through editing raw Markdown on my iPad when I have to, but what I really want—what I’m _screaming_ for—is that single-panel, WYSIWYG magic where the Markdown delimiters vanish as soon as I move off the word or hit the end of a line. **P.S.** This hopefully shows there is a _real_ need for an iOS / iPadOS version of Panda. ==PLEASE, PLEASE, Hear me when I say there is a need.== ---
**Author:** ![matteo](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/community.bear.app/matteo/32/21_2.png) [@matteo](https://community.bear.app/u/matteo)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 9:12am UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/73 "2025-05-06T09:12:35Z")
We totally get where you’re coming from! We want to give Panda the love it deserves, but right now, we’re a small team juggling a lot, and it’s been hard to find the time it needs. We’re making plans (including growing the team!), but we’re just not there yet. Want to release Panda as soon as we can, but not at the expense of Bear, which still needs our full attention. This probably isn’t the news you were hoping for, and we wish we had a better one. Still thanks so much for your feedback! ---
**Author:** ![rfrmdguy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/community.bear.app/rfrmdguy/32/3873_2.png) [@rfrmdguy](https://community.bear.app/u/rfrmdguy)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 1:30pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/74 "2025-05-06T13:30:20Z")
I totally get the focus where needed. I just wanted to make sure the need for a quality iOS editor like Panda was recorded. I do think you have an interesting opportunity to plan a way to use the editor improvements made in Bear in Panda as well going forward. As a person who literally has 3 Swift projects on his drive trying to get the basics of an iOS editor working those vanishing markdown delimiters are painful to make work correctly, so what you have done is wonderful and I just want to say think you and you’ll find me in your “Paid” supporter fan club. ---
**Author:** ![hamsternik](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/community.bear.app/hamsternik/32/6561_2.png) [@hamsternik](https://community.bear.app/u/hamsternik)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2025, 12:26am UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/75 "2025-05-17T00:26:46Z")
hey there, many years bear’s subscriber here. remember last year when i first tested out Panda app – i decided which application fits best for all project notes i had and more. bear was my choice one more year, because everything that i need to keep track in my life is in one place – Bear.app Panda looks really great, design and aesthetics, build-in markdown with preview mode by-default… there is only one thing stops the migration process to Panda – no files or tags structure. i really like the idea to hold everything as file in the filesystem and have access to all of these files in one place. furthermore, i need to be able to control and modify files (eg. notes, files, etc) in one place as well. for now the only tool implements that good enough, give-or-take, is Obsidian. i really like to see how Panda will surpass Obsidian and other note-taking file-based tools. but for now i cannot move forward with it while there is no way to get access to all notes, eg. located in one directory, from the application. thanks for the great work! keep working on Panda, so one day i could pay for that great product and find a peace in PKM / zettelkasten world on macOS ❤ ---
**Author:** ![rmchale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@rmchale](https://community.bear.app/u/rmchale)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 4:21pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/77 "2025-05-18T16:21:02Z")
> [@rfrmdguy](#): > > **P.S.** This hopefully shows there is a _real_ need for an iOS / iPadOS version of Panda. +1 for an iPadOS version! ---
**Author:** ![Perpetuum](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/community.bear.app/perpetuum/32/4801_2.png) [@Perpetuum](https://community.bear.app/u/Perpetuum)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2025, 9:21pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/78 "2025-06-27T21:21:31Z")
Where I can find the latest Panda beta? ---
**Author:** ![fuzenco](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/community.bear.app/fuzenco/32/121_2.png) [@fuzenco](https://community.bear.app/u/fuzenco)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 7:40pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/79 "2025-06-29T19:40:15Z")
LOL. Good one. And I agree. Set up a GoFundMe or similar. [Shiny Frog: You guys/gals deserve a little financial freedom to keep giving us the best two macOS products ever.] ---
**Author:** ![fuzenco](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/community.bear.app/fuzenco/32/121_2.png) [@fuzenco](https://community.bear.app/u/fuzenco)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 7:40pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/80 "2025-06-29T19:40:40Z")
The link is at the top of this post. ---
**Author:** ![fuzenco](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/community.bear.app/fuzenco/32/121_2.png) [@fuzenco](https://community.bear.app/u/fuzenco)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/81 "2025-06-29T19:42:38Z")
Main things I’d love to see: 1. Zen mode being remembered between restarts. 2. Window size being remembered between restarts. 3. Themes. 4. Same editing/formatting from Bear. Especially, Callouts. ---
**Author:** ![Alien1969](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@Alien1969](https://community.bear.app/u/Alien1969)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 8:48pm UTC](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054/82 "2025-07-02T20:48:24Z")
Hi, just tried the Panda Beta. It is basically the Markdown Editor Part of Bear. I already have a use case for it. I use it as an Editor for Markdown Files in Devonthink. Works great! Please continue developing Panda! [Previous page](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.bear.app/t/panda-update-new-beta-available-now/12054.md?page=5)